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Is Michigan a Terror Stronghold?
MSNBC/NEWSWEEK ^ | Oct. 20 | Keith Naughton

Posted on 10/20/2001 7:53:42 PM PDT by rebdov
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Oct. 20 With one of the largest populations of Arabs outside the Middle East, Detroit and its surrounding suburbs have become fertile ground for terrorism fund-raising and recruiting. The Detroit/Dearborn area is a major financial support center for many Mideast terrorist groups, according to a Michigan State Police report obtained by NEWSWEEK. Southeast Michigan is known as a lucrative recruiting area and potential support base for international terrorist groups. It is also conceivable that sleeper cells may be located in that area of the state.

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One problem law enforcement has is that non-American names have many, many ways to be spelled. Variants in one name can have maybe four or five variations. Take Mohammed. It may be Muhamed, Muhammed, Mohamed, Mouhamed, Mouhammed. And that's only the first name. And names and aliases can be passed around. One guy can get maybe ten different driver's licenses and pass them around. This is a big problem. Remember we rely only certified translations of birth certificates. Well, there could be a dozen certified versions.

1 posted on 10/20/2001 7:53:42 PM PDT by rebdov

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To: riley1992

Uh oh! They are on to you! LOL!

3 posted on 10/20/2001 8:06:56 PM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: rebdov

Is Michigan a Terror Stronghold?

Here's a happy thought from Middle East expert Daniel Pipes:

    Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims, perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of the
    population. Many of them are peaceable in appearance, but they all must be considered
    potential killers.

How does 600,000 to 900,000 -- in our country -- potential killers sound?

Article here...

America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

4 posted on 10/20/2001 8:17:58 PM PDT by JCG

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To: The Documentary Lady

"Very little in this report has any truth. "

It would be more helpful if you were to explicitly state the things that have no truth rather than a blanket no truth here. What do you find not to have verisimilitude?

5 posted on 10/20/2001 8:22:30 PM PDT by rebdov

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To: JCG

Better to have thousands of Arab terrorists come here than to offend a few non terrorist Arabs by not allowing any.

6 posted on 10/20/2001 8:24:44 PM PDT by GuillermoX

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To: JCG

Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims, perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of the population. Many of them are peaceable in appearance, but they all must be considered potential killers.

Ten to fifteen percent of Mohammedans worldwide is 100 to 150 MILLION minimum. People in the USA better decide which is more important: political correctness or survival.

7 posted on 10/20/2001 8:26:51 PM PDT by gg188

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To: gg188

Ten to fifteen percent of Mohammedans worldwide is 100 to 150 MILLION minimum. People in the USA better decide which is more important: political correctness or survival.

Roger that.

America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

8 posted on 10/20/2001 8:29:10 PM PDT by JCG

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To: GuillermoX

Better to have thousands of Arab terrorists come here than to offend a few non terrorist Arabs by not allowing any.

Not to mention taking a chance on being perceived as anti-diversity or anti-Moslem. After all, diversity and political correctness are most important. Heck, we even changed the NAME of our war ("infinite justice") because the name hurt the feelings of the enemy.

9 posted on 10/20/2001 8:30:20 PM PDT by gg188

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To: JCG

One way the Dearborn muslim/arabs raise money for jihad orgs is to smuggle illegals, mostly muslims, into the US across the Detroit River. I believe one of these vermin and his Canadian side kick were busted on Oct. 12. There was an article in the Free Press which I sent to M. Savage.

10 posted on 10/20/2001 8:30:56 PM PDT by Righty1

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To: rebdov

Large quantities of white powder are being made and shipped out of Ada Michigan as you read this. Is the FBI checking if Amway is a terrorist organization? :)

12 posted on 10/20/2001 8:34:10 PM PDT by Grig

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To: rebdov

"It would be more helpful if you were to explicitly state the things that have no truth rather than a blanket no truth here. What do you find not to have verisimilitude?"

In "her" mind, there is no fifth column, only paranoid racists believe there is a fifth column, and anyone who dare speak the truth will be shot down in (virtual) flames by the spindoc "lady". Many are intimidated into silence by "her" tactics. Many are not.

The spindoc "lady" finds anything accurate about islamic terrorists and comes down on it like white on rice -- especially if the islamic terrorists in question are in Michigan.

It's uncanny. Either we've got the one person in the country who really believes the "peaceful religion" BS, or else we've got... something else.

Keep your eyes on this one.

(My only question is... naw, I'm not going there.)

13 posted on 10/20/2001 8:35:51 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: rebdov

Those groups, along with domestic patriot groups in Michigan

This story is nature's way of telling Michigan they need more domestic "patriot groups"

14 posted on 10/20/2001 8:43:05 PM PDT by M. Thatcher

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To: JCG

"America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America"

Better yet, download it! By downloading it, you'll save the provider's bandwidth, because you'll be able to use the local file to show others, rather than have them view it online on the provider's dime. You'll also be able to ensure that this invaluable resource continues to exist in case the radical islamists succeed in driving it from that provider. I read earlier today that the last provider to carry it online has recently deleted it, even though many people are apparently wanting to view it.

To download with Internet Explorer, right-click on the link, and select "Save Target As..."

Please note that the above link is not the same one you've seen posted in various threads here to view it. You cannot download the RealPlayer format documentary using the normal link. I edited the above link to allow a download.

If you want to post a download link in other threads, use this syntax:

<a href="http://www.ou.org/ftprm/jihad.rm">America's Fifth Column ... download JIHAD! In America</a>

(And remember to pass along the instructions on how to download, and how to type the link!)

16 posted on 10/20/2001 8:48:05 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: M. Thatcher

"Those groups, along with domestic patriot groups in Michigan, combine to create 374 potential-threat elements statewide, the report says. A State Police spokesman describes such elements as individuals or groups who could engage in acts of terror."

And so it begins...

17 posted on 10/20/2001 8:48:05 PM PDT by Not Fooled

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To: Grig

"Is the FBI checking if Amway is a terrorist organization? :)"

Anyone with a friend or family member who's involved with it knows the answer to that question! :)

18 posted on 10/20/2001 8:50:19 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: gg188

I'm especially glad that we didn't bomb on their Holy Day (Friday). Also, Ramadan is fast apporaching, we wouldn't want to offend the Peace Loving Muslims by carrying on Operation Offend No One.

19 posted on 10/20/2001 8:54:39 PM PDT by GuillermoX

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To: The Documentary Lady

"The FBI has investigated the Immams and various organizations that exist in Detroit and they've come up with zip."

Nice try, spindoc "lady". The guy who made that documentary -- currently living on the lam thanks to the fatwas put on him by the "peaceful religion" -- has been approached by the FBI, because they admit that they "come up with zip" because they can't just walk into the mosques -- which is where the terror pow-wows happen. He can, and he has, and now they want to kill him. But, he's gotten information that he's giving to the FBI that they cannot get on their own.

Your "come up with zip" statement is more of your typical spin, spindoc "lady".

If the islamists wanted to pay for a spindoc presence on FreeRepublic, they couldn't do any better than you provide here day in and day out, presumably for free, putatively on your own initiative. I must say that it is very curious to find someone who is apparently an American sitting here posting apologetics for the enemy fifth column on a daily basis.

People need to keep their eye on you.

20 posted on 10/20/2001 8:55:53 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: rebdov

Yeah, Dearborn has many Arab residents, and according to a good friend who works for Chrysler, many of these Arabs will not, under any circumstances, condemn bin Laden. They actually believe that the Mossad staged the 911 attacks!

I live about 2 miles from the Soo Locks; we had a scare there last week which turned out to be nothing. The same thing happened when a threat to blow up the international bridge was investigated. My advice to Arab terrorists: stay away from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Most everyone here owns several guns and we won't hesitate to use them on you.

Meanwhile, I'm continuing on with life as it was prior to 911; I've made eight trips to Canada since the attacks, and I refuse to let these bastards keep me from doing what I was doing prior to 911.

I urge everyone else to do the same........

23 posted on 10/20/2001 9:04:50 PM PDT by yooper

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To: one_particular_harbour

Curiouser and curiouser bump.

24 posted on 10/20/2001 9:05:39 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: american arnie james

Bump! Where can I read more by Daniel Pipes as he seems like a sensible guy who may have good
suggestions on how to defeat teh terrorists?

http://www.danielpipes.org/

America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

25 posted on 10/20/2001 9:06:51 PM PDT by JCG

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To: american arnie james

"Where can I read more by Daniel Pipes...?"

Here: http://www.danielpipes.org

26 posted on 10/20/2001 9:08:10 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: JCG

I'm not getting anything about jihad when I click your link.

27 posted on 10/20/2001 9:12:38 PM PDT by Sabertooth

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To: Sabertooth

I just tried it and it's still working. Do you have RealPlayer installed on your computer? You need RealPlayer to view it.

28 posted on 10/20/2001 9:15:59 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: rebdov

Question for the FBI: My wife and I consider ourselves patriots. We love our country and are proud to be Americans. Does this now make us a threat to national security???? (Uh oh, I'm also an NRA member...)

29 posted on 10/20/2001 9:20:28 PM PDT by DonPaulJones

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I've got RealPlayer.

Here's what I'm getting when I click the link. It takes me to this address:

pnm://www.ou.org/ftprm/jihad.rm

Followed by these two graphic links, neither of which takes me to anything called jihad.

What's the address you're getting?

30 posted on 10/20/2001 9:23:41 PM PDT by Sabertooth

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The word Patriot makes you dead meat. Add the words Tax protestor and the IRS/ATF will visit. Talk about Ruby Ridge and your one room shanty will become a compound.

I hear you.

31 posted on 10/20/2001 9:28:00 PM PDT by rebdov

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To: Sabertooth

When I click that link, it downloads the .ra file, and then starts up RealPlayer, and runs the file in it.

The .ram file is a tiny text file that contains a pointer to the .ra file, using a pnm:// protocol rather than http:// -- the link I posted is a direct link to the .ra file, but with an http:// protocol, so that you can download it. You might be able to view it by left-clicking on the link I posted, but it sounds like something's corrupted with your RealPlayer installation -- it should automatically launch the app and play the file.

32 posted on 10/20/2001 9:32:54 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: Don Joe

I don't see anything contrary in this article. It's right on the money.

33 posted on 10/20/2001 9:34:44 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs

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To: Don Joe

My RealPlayer is working, but I have a Mac. Wonder if that's the problem.

34 posted on 10/20/2001 9:48:05 PM PDT by Sabertooth

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To: rebdov

Please remember that the majority of Arab-Americans are Christians. It is not ARAB-AMERICANS per se who are potentially our enemies, but rather MUSLIMS.

35 posted on 10/20/2001 9:48:25 PM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse

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To: Don Joe

Nice try, spindoc "lady". The guy who made that documentary -- currently living on the lam thanks to the fatwas put on him by the "peaceful religion" -- has been approached by the FBI, because they admit that they "come up with zip" because they can't just walk into the mosques -- which is where the terror pow-wows happen. He can, and he has, and now they want to kill him. But, he's gotten information that he's giving to the FBI that they cannot get on their own.

Thanks for the low down on this Don. And I agree about the "spin doc" lady. The only time I ever see her post on FR it is to defend Muslims. I also have a hard time believing her story that her husband works or used to work in the terrorist unit of the FBI. Doesn't sound true for obvious reasons. She is a low budget attempt to inject disinformation about Muslim activities on the Internet.

36 posted on 10/20/2001 10:05:18 PM PDT by WRhine

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To: The Documentary Lady

Free scoop, spindoc "lady" -- the meshuggenahs running around in the woods with their beer bellies hanging out of their camo-pants may be nutzo, but they don't fly airplanes into office buildings.

Your pet moslems, on the other hand...

39 posted on 10/20/2001 10:25:16 PM PDT by Don Joe

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To: The Documentary Lady

"Mark my words, somebody is coming after the Patriots."

The patriots are currently gunning down your moslem cohorts in Afghanistan from the safety and comfort of their helicopter gunships.

And the patriots in New York are digging the bodies of their countrymen -- crushed to death by your fanatic moslem cohorts -- out of the rubble that fell on 9/11.

Someone is coming after them? I pity the fools.

41 posted on 10/20/2001 10:28:25 PM PDT by Don Joe

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Mark my words, somebody is coming after the Patriots. If you're too blind to see it, so be it.

Care to expand on this cryptic comment?

42 posted on 10/20/2001 10:33:18 PM PDT by WRhine

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